Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: You can build in this insurance on these option strategies which is just the opposite of gambling. It's the opposite of risky. There's outliers, there's going to be weeks where you see losses, there's going to be losing positions. Of course you don't need millions of dollars, you don't need hundreds of thousands. We have people starting with 2, 3, 4, 5,000 bucks.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: Welcome to The Entrepreneur's Outlook Logbook I'm your host, Zachary Nerd. You can find me on Social.
In each episode, I bring on experts from various industries for you to learn about their strategies and insights driving external business growth. Today we're joined by Mike Curtis, chief operating officer of Trader's Edge Network, a company that helps everyday investor learn practical rule based option strategies so they can manage risk and build consistent income instead of just guessing their way through the entire market. And funny enough, Mike's path into the market started young. His father sat him down at around like 10, 12 years old from what I could understand, and introduced him to trading. And one of the first real lesson came the hard way. Taking a loss on a trade because he hadn't checked in earning dates beforehand. And that's kind of the mistake that shaped the way that he's approached the market ever since. Shifting his focus away from trying to predict where the market will go and what it will do towards building repeatable risk verse processes instead. And today he's personally mentored over 500 investors one on one, helping people move from feeling intimated by the markets to, to trading with an actual plan. Mike, it's great to have you on the show. Welcome aboard.
[00:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah, excited to be here.
[00:01:29] Speaker B: Cool. Well, one of the things I always like to ask anyone that comes on the shifts, like my famous question, as I like to call it, is if you had to like restart your, your career from scratch, knowing maybe everything that you know today, what's maybe the one thing that you feel you would do differently?
[00:01:45] Speaker A: No, it's a great question. And honestly, when I first really got into trading, I think my first covered call Trade was in 2005 and I really started getting active in like 2007. So most of us remember the 2008 crash where, and if you didn't live through that, you've heard about it.
And so I was kind of this, you know, sophomore junior trader right as we went through this, what felt like a financial apocalypse. So that did a few things for me. It made me really risk conscious.
Um, and it, it made me pretty conservative, which if I were to go back and like, you know, talk to that 2009 version of myself, I'd be like, hey, that was an anomaly. Right? There's it. So it's not a common occurrence, what we saw happen there. And I would be a. A little less conservative those few years now, still being smart, still controlling risks, still being smart with diversification position, sizing, all that good stuff.
But, you know, there is a lot of times where I'd be trading and I'd have 30% of my account invested or 40% of my account invested, and the rest is just sitting there in cash. And it was like, just, you know, a little bit of paranoia that we might go through some, you know, crazy financial situation again. And it, you know, these. These last, I'd say probably five to eight years, I've been able to pull out of that, but it took a little bit longer than I would have liked and. Yeah, a little bit longer than I care to admit.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah. But I feel like that learning experience is probably, like, very good for you. Like, being able to go through, like, a pretty, like, big emotional, like, side of things with, like, the Merc, everything going down. It's like apocalypse, like, what's going on? And I feel like when you're. You're trading options or anything like that, like, your emotions are probably, like, one of, like, the biggest piece of the puzzle. Like, I'm not a big trader by, like, any means, but from what I understand, I have friends that are big into it, is that your emotions are probably, like, the biggest things when it comes to trading. If you just go with your emotion, you're like, I'm like 1% of, like, just, you know, beating my record or anything like that. Passing like a. I know some people do, like, challenges, like prop firms and everything. It's like, yeah, oh, I lost 100 bucks. I'll just try to make a thousand directly. And they. They blow their. Their entire. So I know emotions. Yeah, no, you.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: Yeah, you hit the nail right on the head. I mean, the. We usually get in our own way. In fact, there's been a few brokerage firms that study, like, what are the best performing?
And, you know, there's a bunch of variables, but the one that showed up the most were the accounts that didn't have anyone. Like, it. Didn't have an executor, didn't have anyone managing it, like, people that maybe passed away, and these accounts were just sitting there. So the takeaway from that study is exactly your point. Usually we're the. Our own worst enemy when it comes to investing is we get emotional, we Throw something on or we take something off. There's this weird phenomenon in trading, right, where you know, people get into a losing position, it's going against them and they jump out.
So they've lost money, they get out of the position and the, the position tanks and they're like, woo, oh, I avoided this disaster. Well, they still lost money.
And then on the flip side of that, they catch a move, they close it out, they've made a profit, but then the position could have been even more profitable. And they're mad, right? So they're mad when they make money and then they're happy when they lose money, just not more. So there is a huge emotional component and it's your money, it's your hard earned money that you're investing and trading. So we get, we get that there is a huge emotional component to that. But what we've really focused on with Trader's Edge Network is giving you a repeatable system that you can go out and trade. Not just, you know, kind of taking stabs at things and hoping you can catch a move. You know, we don't day trade or anything like that. A lot of our strategies are more income based and we take these natural forces that occur in the market and we just build our strategies to, to cater to those. So of course there's outliers, there's going to be weeks where you see losses, there's going to be losing positions, of course, but if you can, if you can build a strategy that's repeatable and, and that plays into the probabilities in the market anyway, now you can have a long term trading career instead of, oh, I had, you know, six great months and then I blew up my account. And unfortunately you hear that a lot, especially as some of these traders have gotten younger and younger. You know, cryptocurrency has been fantastic. It's pulled in a new kind of generation of people wanting to trade and invest. But like the, the Gamestop kind of meme stock, all that attention, you know, the Netflix series that Dumb Money I think is what it was called, that kind of highlighted that GameStop trader.
It's pulled in this new interest of, in kind of this new generation of trade, which is a beautiful thing. Like my, my kids are trading, you know, my 15 year old, my 18 year old, they have trading accounts, they're in it. My older daughters that are 21, 23, they, they're, they're investing and actively trading. So I love that this younger generation is getting involved, but it also opens up this new issue of people that don't know what they're doing.
And that's where, you know, traders edge. We've really tried to fill that void of, hey, if, if you're wanting to learn to trade and invest, like, we can help you do this the right way, get that foundation under you. So it's not just gambling. You're not going to blow up an account. Heck, even if it's only a thousand bucks, like that's hard earned, precious money. You don't want to just throw that away. So.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's like somewhere like I actually wanted to go because I feel like when someone comes to you, like they're maybe new to investing, maybe they're a little bit scared of the, the entire thing. I'd love to better understand, I guess, what that first stretch, like working for you guys actually looks like. How do you guys, how do you get someone out of like I have no idea what, where to go, like where to start to actually like starting to, you know, place a couple trades, whether it's with 8,000 bucks or maybe someone that saved 10,000 bucks. I'm sure that you've seen quite a lot of different investor profiles there.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure, for sure. No, and it's a, it's a really good question. And we're, we live in this beautiful day and age, right, where there's so much content. I mean if, if we knew how much is getting uploaded to YouTube daily, right. It just would probably blow our minds. There's so much content out there, which is a beautiful thing. But then it also can be a frustrating thing because you just, you, you don't know what to latch onto, where to start, where to go. It can be that, you know, the analysis paralysis or like the jack of all trades, master of none kind of phenomenon where people just get overwhelmed. They're like, well, I don't know what to do or where to start.
And so what we've tried to focus on with Trader's Edge is if you're brand new, you've never traded stocks, never traded options before.
Like we, I mean we actually give away a free book about our like core strategy. We just say, hey, cover a little shipping. We want you to just get introduced to this. And with that little purchase, like seven bucks, we have a whole bunch of just free information inside our customer portal. Our, our hub.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: Where people can just start to learn the terminology.
We help you open a brokerage account, like some of those little things that when you're new, feel like big things.
And so we just try to help people through that. So it's a little more streamlined. I mean, you could go to YouTube and you know, you could spend hours and hours. But we have like an On Ramp series. Again, it's all included if you try that book.
And it just helps you get from, you know, never understanding a thing about the financial markets, to learning some of the terminology, to opening up a brokerage account and hopefully placing your first live trade within a month or two. And you know, everyone can go at a different pace, but we've tried to just give people kind of a easy, streamlined solution instead of feeling frustrated because most people when they, hey, what, what do you do for a living? I'm like, well, I, I teach people how to trade in the, the financial markets. And most people are like, oh, that's like that. I, that's above my pay grade. That's, that's something I want to do that I know I should be doing that, but I, I, I, I'm not some, you know, fat cat Wall street in a $4,000 custom suit. And I'm like, no, no, no, you don't have to have any of that. Right. It's like my 15 year old is trading, you know, and it's an app on his phone. Like it's, it's so easy now. And you can trade from an airplane, you can trade from a beach. You know, it's just, there's WI fi everywhere with Starlink, heck, you could be in the middle of the forest and still trade. So like it's, it's, it's a beautiful time to think about investing. And hopefully, you know, we've, we've given people a pretty easy solution to getting to getting started.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And I feel like some of those people, like in a way, like, yes, they are scared because they don't quite understand like where to start. Which obviously seems that with what you guys do, it helps out to get a better path to being able to go from like A to B. But I feel like there's a lot of misconception in the space that a lot of people, it's like, it's just like options, just people lumping option trading with a gambling. Like they're, there's just thinking like, okay, you know, hopefully it goes up, doesn't go down like it's going to 50, 50 coin flip type thing. But like some people think it's, it's more about like placing a bet and then hoping it actually like works well. And I'd love to kind of understand like what's actually the Difference between how a, I guess like a more disciplined trader approaches risk versus someone who is. It was more like gambling, like the market.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's, that's one of the things like we've been trying to preach at traders Edge Network because there is that misconception out there that, oh, options are really risky. And if you were just buying like a call option, which it's kind of like buying the stock, you want the stock to go up.
If you just buy that call option, you can see some explosive returns. But there is, because these option contracts have a shelf life. They expire. And as you get closer to expiration, the value of these options will drop off. So there's a, there's a chunk of people who buy an option and they lose 100% of the investment. So if you're just trading it like, you know, trying to throw darts and just see if something sticks, like there is definitely an element of risk to that. What we do is so different. So let me use a quick example. Like let's say you go buy a new car and it's a fifty thousand dollar car. Well, one of the first things you do is you get insurance on it, right? You, you call, you say, hey, I want the insurance policy. Thousand dollar deductible, right? Well now what's your actual risk on this $50,000 car? Well, if you know you were to, heaven forbid, get in an accident, you're out that thousand bucks, you've given yourself a max loss on that, on that car, on that investment, you've tied up your capital on that, you've given yourself a limited amount of downside exposure. We do the exact same thing with our option positions, right? You could go buy a stock, let's say it's $100 a share.
Well, in theory that could go to zero, right? So you have $100 in risk. Now, it's not too likely, but for a few bucks you can actually buy an insurance policy using a put option contract to where you can sell this thing at 95. So now it's like you've got a $5 deductible, if you will, on this stock position, right? And you can be really smart about when you use those earnings reports like you mentioned kind of in the intro, right? Every quarter these companies have to report earnings, they're going to spike up, they're going to gap down. If you look at Lululemon stock today, it's down like 20%, right? So had someone bought some insurance on that for a couple hundred bucks, you know, they could have protected a $12,000 investment.
Instead of being down three grand today, there may be down 500 bucks, right? So you can get that deductible on a stock position. Then we use that same thing when we do, like our option spread trades, we build in this known risk. You can build in this insurance on these option strategies, which is just the opposite of gambling. It's the opposite of risky. We're being like very risk minded. We're being very risk efficient. We're coming in and structuring a position, which is different. Like if you go buy a stock, I mean, the thing could gap down on, maybe they get sued or, you know, whatever. Some news hits and it gaps from 100 to 80. You can't do anything about that. Where options, you can actually build a true risk profile on a position and you know exactly what your exposure is before you even place the trade. So if you know what you're doing and you really understand options, they're, they're very powerful tool to avoid risk, to avoid gambling. And guess what? The, the big investors, you know, Warren Buffett used options all the time. I'm sure you're familiar with Mark Cuban, that he used to own the Dallas Mavericks, right? So he made his first kind of big fortune selling this tech company right before the tech bubble crashed. Well, there's this famous quote. If you're an options trader. He, he had insurance on all this stock position, right? He, his whole fortune was tied up in this stock.
And he had this, these put protection, the put contracts giving him downside protection. So when the stock crashed, he actually made more money. That's his famous quote. He's like, I was actually overprotected. So he was fine with the stock tanking because he bought that insurance. So it's crazy to us. People will have, you know, tens of thousands of dollars invested or hundreds of thousands of dollars invested with no insurance. But like, they go buy that $50,000 car, the first thing they do is they're calling the insurance company, they want to prot.
But then they'll have 100 grand sitting there unprotected in the stock market. So we're trying to help change that perception a little bit at a time.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like it's definitely correlated to like your, your approach to option trading, trading in general. I mean, there's so many different techniques, strategy, and like your risk profile, like how you want to approach doing it. But it's having like that approach being like risk, like adverse in a way where you are trying to like protect your Downside a little bit with like the insurance side of things you mentioned, which I love, like how you framed it, like insurance for a car. Like, I'm not extremely, extremely in the option space or anything, but direct is like, that makes a lot of sense. I can see why you should be doing that here. And you've obviously mentored a lot of people. I think, if I remember correctly, there's around 500 people one to one at this point. And one of the things I'd love to understand is what would you say kind of tends to separate the people who stick with it and become actually consistent. Because consistency is obviously key versus the people that just get this grid to do this for two months, they walk away.
Especially after that big loss. Because, I mean, for example, you at 12 years old, you had your big first loss directly, like just when he got started then, I mean, you're, you're still here. So.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's a really good question. I think people coming into it with the mindset of they, oh, I'm gonna get rich quick or there's going to be this, this one trade and I'm going to pay off the mortgage in a month. Like, that mindset, it's, it's just not going to work out like almost any business endeavor, right? Like you think of Walmart, how long it took them to build up before they really blew up and expanded, right? You can go through like Apple Computer, their ups and downs before they, you know, ipod, iPhone, and really became one of the world's most valuable companies, right? They went through some struggle, right? They had to learn. I mean, you could go through example, example the Beatles, right? They, they played for hours and hours and hours and, you know, dingy little bars, they, they were developing a skill.
So what I saw, because I did, I would mentor one on one with, I mean, it was probably closer to 600 people. And that meant spending just hours and hours talking about their financial situation, talking about their goals, talking about trading and investing in the ones that were approaching it is like, hey, I'm learning a skill, right? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna, I'm starting this journey to learn a skill, develop a talent, something that can be another stream of income or potentially be my main source of income. Those people always did amazing. It was the ones that were like, hey, Mike, give me a, give me a hot stock tip. And I'm like, that's not what we do. We're teaching a system, right? It's like you're building a trading business or. Right? And if you're thinking about it from that approach, any business is gonna take some. Some time. You get your structure, you get going, you start bringing in more revenue. You build and grow, build and grow, reinvest. And if you look at it from that perspective, people will stick with it. They have a great experience.
And I've even had people in my personal circle. You know, I got a text yesterday from an old, old, like, high school football buddy. And, you know, we've stayed in touch here and there, and he just said, hey, I'd love to talk to you about your. Your trading strategies. And I'm like, okay, here we go. Because usually that means, give me the. Give me the hot pick. It's not like, well, hey, you're go spend 20 or 30 hours, maybe not even that much, you know, 10 to 20 for some people that pick up a little quicker. But it's like, you got to spend a little bit of time to learn a foundation, and then you can really jump in and learn a skill. So if you approach it from that perspective of, oh, this is going to be just like people do with college, right? You know, you've got four years, that bachelor's degree you're learning, developing a skill, that's going to now set you up for, hopefully, a better career, a better, you know, career path, whatever it is. If you're approaching trading that way, instead of, oh, give me that hot stock tip, Mike, you're going to be a lot more successful, you'll be more likely to stick with it, and then you'll see the fruits of the labor. Because, I mean, we were just a couple months ago in this room with a few of our clients, and they're kind of in this little inner circle group. But we went around, there was about 30 of them in the room, and it was just, man, I've made a million dollars trading this year. Oh, my account was at 300,000. I just crossed a million for the year. And it's just like, we're changing lives. And, you know, we could be a business that makes doorknobs or something. And it's like, how unfulfilling is that? You never hear from the end customer. It's just all about, you know, are we pushing units? How's inventory numbers? You know, it's like we're hearing from people that are just thanking us, saying, you're changing my life. I'm teaching this to my kids. It's so amazing. Like, thank you, thank you, thank you. It's so fulfilling from that perspective.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: But the thing that I love though that you mentioned is like, you have obviously have to be patient. Like there needs to be that consistency. Like you need to treat it as a skill that you're developing as opposed like just, you know, like a quick hit, trying to get a quick start for anything like that. And I think that the best example I could think of is when you have someone enrolling into like a program to learn about a certain skill. I mean, I've seen that before and one of the things I've learned from any of those programs is the people that take it seriously, that show up to the call, do the homework, do the research, spend the time actually trying to learn. The people that are essentially the more dedicated are the ones getting the results. But the people that don't show up to the call are not trying to learn more. They just try to, you know, figure it out here and there. There's no consistency. They just don't get the results.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Got it.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: Put it like very simply, and I know you talked a little bit about like, hey, I mean, some people might be quicker, 10, 20 hours, maybe they, they get a good general grasp like how options and everything works. But I have a feeling that a lot of people, there's a couple assumption. They assume that the inner need, like a, a big account, just they like, oh, I need 100 grand before I start, start trading or I need to be spending like 12 hours a day for the next two years to understand like how this all works and from like yours perspective. And I have an idea like what you, what you'll mention, but I'd love to understand like how realistic is that assumption? Like, what do you would you say is a more like workable approach actually to. For someone who's busy, or maybe they're just like starting out and they want to get the basics that makes sense.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: No, I love it. It's such an important question because, you know, as you're getting going, we've tried to make it really simple. I mentioned like our On Ramp series, that's only about like five hours, six hours. Some people might need to go through it a second or third time.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: But what we usually tell people is like, hey, you know, carve out a little of that Netflix time or if you're evening news person or whatever, you know, scroll, scroll Instagram or TikTok a little bit less, like redirect 30 minutes twice a week and you're going to be gaining some momentum. Put it on your calendar if you have to, like hold yourself accountable, you know, tell a friend or a Significant other, whatever your, your partner say, hey, I'm, I need to do this. Will you, will you keep me accountable on this? I'm gonna, I'm gonna spend an hour a week or two hours a week, whatever you can fit in and you'll start finding, you get some momentum.
And the other thing too is you don't need millions of dollars, you don't need hundreds of thousands. We have people starting with 2, 3, 4, 5,000 bucks. And you can start.
That's the beautiful thing about options, right? You can, you can actually use a little bit of leverage in your favor. And like a money press trade, you know, you could build one of those that maybe costs 700 bucks for a contract, 800 bucks for a contract.
So you, obviously, if you're dealing with a little smaller account, you can get going. You won't be able to diversify as much as a few, a few challenges, but at least you're going, right? You're, you're getting some of the, that you're getting that journey started, you're starting to learn.
So if you've got a few thousand dollars, that's great, you can, you can get going and if not, start saving. You know, the, so one of my favorite quotes was Charlie Munger. He was Warren Buffett's right hand man. You know, billionaire, amazing investor. But he always said, hey, you get into that first hundred thousand, he's like, it's a B word. You know, he's, we'll keep it pg. But he said, you know, once you get there, just things change, like your results are going to explode. And I, and I think there's some truth to that.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: But what we recommend is just set some milestones. Like in one of our services, we help people, we say, hey, you know, first milestone, go pass our option certification test. That's going to check your knowledge a little bit. You take that test, you pass. You're like, oh my gosh, look how much I've learned. Next milestone, go place your first live trade. You know, your account's funded, you place that first live trade. Boom, that's another big milestone. Now you're live, you're really trading, you're in the markets now. That's something to celebrate the next milestone, 250 in profits. What we recommend, pull out some of that money, go have a fun steak dinner or something. Like the market just bought you a meal. Like go celebrate that. Right, right. And it's going to be a meal you'll remember the rest of your life. So anyway, we have a few other Milestones as you kind of progress and move through it. But, yeah, you. You don't have to be intimidated because that's. That's something we get a lot is like, oh, this. I. I can't do this. I don't think I'd be able to figure it out. It's like, no, you can. We.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: We.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: We will help you. We'll take your hand, walk you through it. So don't be intimidated. You don't need that much to get started. You know, a few thousand bucks you can get going.
Obviously, if you've got 20 or 30 or 50 or 100, it's even. It's going to make life even easier, but you don't need it. So just set those little milestones. If you're starting with two grand, awesome. You know, set that goal to get up to five grand when you get there. Go have another steak dinner to celebrate and then get to 10. Right. And just keep setting those little goals for yourself and be realistic.
And it just becomes a really fun journey. And that's what we see a lot, too. I mean, the profits are rewarding. Of course. People love to make money. That's why they trade. But seeing their, like, progress just learning a new skill, what they're, you know, learning a new terminology, a strategy, they just. It's so fulfilling, and we see that firsthand with a lot of our clients. They just love feeling like, you know, I'm improving as a person. I'm learning this new skill, and it's fun to witness.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I imagine you've ate enough a lot of steak dinners throughout the past couple of years.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get, like, pictures of it. We went and got sushi or whatever. You know, they go. So it's fun to see people sending that in and sharing some of those results with us.
[00:26:47] Speaker B: Oh, thoughts. So just before we, like, wrap things up, one of the things I'd love to maybe get from you, parting thoughts for, like, anyone that's trying to, like, get into trading, get into option. What's maybe the. The one or, like, two piece of advice that you would give to, like, anyone that's trying to, like, get into that space or, like, hey, I don't know where to start. I don't know what I should be doing, but I'm interested in this.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: No, it's. It's great. Yeah. Like I said, there's a ton of information out there if you want to check out our. Our core strategy. We call it the money Press. We kind of had fun naming it because it kind of There it's this weekly option strategy. So when things are going well, it's kind of like you have your very own money printing press, right? Just kind of throwing money at you every week. But you can go to free money pressbook.com so free money pressbook.com sure. It's like seven bucks. We'll send you the actual physical copy. You'll get the online access as well instantly. And that opens up the portal where you can go through this on ramp. You can go through some option basics if you need it, and heck, you can just see if it's for you. So that's where I would suggest to start. We also have a YouTube channel. We do a weekly podcast. You want to go just.
If you're the type that just really wants to dive in head first, we've got plenty of info out there for you. But go see if it's. If it's something that interests you. Right. Most people that get in and start learning just becomes like, not an addiction. That's not the right word. But just this really fun challenge. You know, I kind of compare it to. I don't know if you golf. Zachary, do you. Do you golf?
[00:28:23] Speaker B: No. Terrible golfer. Yeah, unfortunately.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: But I. I kind of compare it to that because I. I'm a big golfer. You probably see the title on the wall right there. I've got another PGA Championship. That's Brooks Koepka that signed that one. But anyway, golf is tough. It's really hard. You think it should be easy, right? There's no pressure. You can take your time. The ball's just sitting there, not moving.
You know, everyone's silent. No one's moving. You just. You should be able to hit this thing. But it's tough. But as. As you work through some of that challenge at the beginning, it just becomes so enjoyable that you're conquering something difficult.
There's a way of just, you're. You're connecting with that challenge, with that progress. You know, you. You hit a great drive, for example. You're like, whoa. That.
That felt good. Wow. How far did I hit that? I hit it right down the middle of the fairway, right. There's these little kind of checkpoints that are fulfilling and rewarding, and trading is a lot like that, I think, for people. Once you get in, you get going.
It just becomes a lot of fun.
And it's this challenge, right? Just like the. The golf analogy. So go check out free money pressbook.com if you want to. If you want to learn more. We're on all the socials, too. Traders Edge Network.com you can check out, see if you want to go and start that journey of learning and learn, learning the world of investing.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: Well, I appreciate you coming on Mike, because I learned a couple things. I mean, I know a little bit about trading, but it's definitely not my strong suit by any means here. So I learned a couple things get you going.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: Don't worry.
[00:29:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So we're going to put everything that you mentioned, like tradersedgenetwork. Com in the bio freemoneypressbook. Com as well. And then, yeah, to listeners, make sure to reach out to Mike here. If you want to learn more, get in touch with them. And if you've enjoyed this episode, like subscribe, comment, review, all that fun stuff. Yeah. Until then, keep pushing and we'll see you in the next one.
